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So guys: Naesala and Lady Claire Sanosuke for the wolves - y/n?

Edit: Yeah, I know I suck. Sorry about that.

Date: 2007-09-15 02:25 am (UTC)
cockfighter: (You can clearly see who the winner is?)
From: [personal profile] cockfighter
Mind telling me what you think those two are wolves.

Date: 2007-09-15 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
Have you even been paying attention?

Okay, here's the long and short of it. Lady Claire, Ronan, and I played the last game together. Ronan and I were wolves, so I know a very specific something that he literally cannot do while a wolf, and he did it first round. If you care to look, our conversation is open to you directly below this, but it's something Lady Claire also knew, and even asked him about on the first day. She then promised she was a sheep, and if she wasn't, he didn't have to take her out on a date.

The first day, I was pretty convinced she was a sheep, 'cause of how helpful she was trying to be. The second day, though, after Ronan was eaten, I started to suspect. And the fact that Naesala's pretty damn obvious and she voted for Lady Seth instead tells me something is up.

In other words, the only people in the game who knew Ronan and knew he was a sheep for sure were me and Lady Claire. And I actually bothered to communicate with him, whereas she didn't - I got links, if you want 'em.

As for Naesala, he only seems to show up to repeat work that other people have done - he's not had an original idea this entire time. I don't know about you, but when I'm a wolf, I don't bother trying too hard to help with the clues, 'cause I know the sheep will. But I also don't look like I'm obviously trying to help, when I'm just regurgitating someone else's idea from further up the post.

Also, his feigned cluelessness is really flippin' obvious.

Date: 2007-09-15 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] euphiemisms.livejournal.com
Ronan was eaten, wasn't he? He did something that could not be done while he was a wolf, and he obviously wasn't a wolf because he was eaten, so... I'm not sure how that makes Claire a wolf, either?

But I am the vote on Naesala right now.

Date: 2007-09-15 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
Lady Claire is the only other person besides me who knew that Ronan was a safe sheep the first day. When he was eaten, I didn't want to accept that it might be her, but after this thread (http://community.livejournal.com/cryfuckuwolf/178095.html?thread=18896047#t18896047) I was pretty sure of her. After she voted to keep Naesala in just now, I was positive - he's very obvious, and he's doing exactly the same stuff that Lady Claire suspected me for last game.

Also, their argument in the current post is rather forced, as was Naesala's vote on her just now.

I was wondering if that might not be you. You were on him yesterday, weren't you?

Date: 2007-09-15 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] euphiemisms.livejournal.com
That makes more sense, then.

I wasn't that vote, though. I didn't vote yesterday. However, I do find him most suspicious as of today, so unless something happens to change my mind, I'll be leaving my vote on Naesala in hopes that he'll go up to vote again.

Date: 2007-09-15 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] euphiemisms.livejournal.com
Is this about the newest clue?

Date: 2007-09-15 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
How'd you guess.

He's off the lock now, by the way. Although it really won't matter much from this point out - they can't kill all of us in one night.

Date: 2007-09-15 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] euphiemisms.livejournal.com
You suspect him, definitely?

Date: 2007-09-15 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
Between him and Ned? Yes, definitely. Ned's helpfulness seemed more sincere than anyone else's, and Sanosuke's not been around most of the game - he'd normally be talking me and Lady Claire's ears off. It was something that was pinging me a little, but I always tend to give my friends the benefit of the doubt.

Date: 2007-09-15 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] euphiemisms.livejournal.com
Mm, I do think he was trying to help in the first round.

Date: 2007-09-15 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
I do, too, although I have to admit I don't know where he's gotten to.

Date: 2007-09-15 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
I see him down there.

Do you think it's safe to invite him into the thread, or do you think I should wait?

Date: 2007-09-15 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] euphiemisms.livejournal.com
If you don't think he's suspicious, then yes, he's as safe as anyone else.

Date: 2007-09-15 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
Done and done!

Date: 2007-09-15 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mud-on-lace.livejournal.com
I can see you've thought quite a lot about this, and your theory is very interesting. However, I'm not entirely convinced in regards to Claire.

We have gotten one wolf already. I think it's rather more likely that it was Hiromi than Seth. Hiromi had a one-in-three chance (one-in-two for me, of course) of being a wolf; Seth was a completely random choice. I'm also fairly certain that Claire was the third person indicated in the first clue, not Seth. The shepherd said he worked with what he was given, and he had no way of knowing Seth's last name until after the clue was given out. Therefore, if Hiromi was a wolf, Claire can't be. I could be wrong -- Seth could be the wolf that we got, or she could be the third person in the first clue, either of which would make it possible for Claire to be a wolf. Even so, I don't find either of those possibilities quite as likely.

Date: 2007-09-15 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
You don't think she could be Steamboat Willie in the new clue?

And yeah, I think Lady Hiromi's the wolf we did get, actually. Lady Seth just sorta didn't do much of anything.

Although Naesala's eagerness to point the finger at her and reluctance to place a vote on her is ringing alarm bells to me.

Date: 2007-09-15 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mud-on-lace.livejournal.com
Claire as Steamboat Willie? Where are you getting that interpretation?

Date: 2007-09-15 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
'Cause the mouse was very bendy, but I think her interpretation is the correct one.

If that's the case, then I'm a huge idiot.

Date: 2007-09-15 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mud-on-lace.livejournal.com
Yes, I rather think you are. In which case, we have to figure out who the wolf is between Ned and Sanosuke -- assuming you're a sheep, that is.

Date: 2007-09-15 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
Ahh, I forgot to apologize to you, didn't I? I'm sorry for voting on you the other day - I really thought it was you over Lady Hiromi or Lady Claire. But I'm usually suspicious of everyone, at least a little bit, when I'm a sheep. I only made this post, 'cause I was sure I knew who the remaining two wolves were.

And, well.... look how that went.

I think it's Sanosuke - he's off the lock, by the way.

Date: 2007-09-15 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mud-on-lace.livejournal.com
Oh, don't bother apologizing. Sheep are supposed to be suspicious of everyone, since anyone could be a wolf. And I expected people to be especially suspicious of me, just on the grounds that I was around so little on the first two days.

Hmm. Do you mind explaining why you think that?

Date: 2007-09-15 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
Well, Ned's been the most honestly helpful person in the game so far, and I know I'm a sheep. Sanosuke's also not been talking as much as he normally does - I also find it funny that he asked me to explain my reasoning for both Lady Claire and Naesala.

And I believe he's the vote on me just now, unless that's you? And if Ned's not voted yet, you'd have to be the fourth vote on Naesala.

Date: 2007-09-15 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mud-on-lace.livejournal.com
I was on you, because back when you were accusing Claire, I was suspicious of you. I'm somewhat more convinced of your innocence now, though, so I think I'll move it either to Naesala or Sanosuke.

Date: 2007-09-15 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
That's fine - I just want to know when and if Sanosuke votes, which is why I'm tracking.

And if you hadn't point that out, I'd probably still be acting like a dumbass. Thank you.

Date: 2007-09-15 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mud-on-lace.livejournal.com
You're very welcome.

Date: 2007-09-15 04:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
Never mind, that's Ned.

Date: 2007-09-15 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missmiracle-gro.livejournal.com
Um... hi.

*sigh* I promise that I'm a sheep. Like Momoko said, we're pretty sure that Hiromi was the wolf in our clue. But even if she wasn't, that would mean that I was wrong about me being in the clue and it would'a had to have been Seth. Either way, either one or two wolves have been ousted.

And as far as why I voted for Seth instead of Naesala I'll kick myself forever for that, I just didn't see anything productive from her. But after reading this thread, just repeating what other people say doesn't make a person productive, either.

Oh, you know that thread that made you think I was a wolf? That's when I first suspected you might be one, 'cause you were the only other one that knows Ronan can't lie~ But the reason I didn't talk to him in private was 'cause of the last game when he said he didn't talk to anyone in private.

Date: 2007-09-15 04:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
I'm sorry I doubted you.

And yeah, that's what I was getting at, and if I were a wolf, I wouldn't have bothered pointing it out to anyone.

It also occurs to me that if you were a wolf, you'd have known I suspected you, and ate me at the end of the last round. I honestly didn't expect to survive the night.

Date: 2007-09-15 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missmiracle-gro.livejournal.com
...me, too.

Yeah, that's a good point. I thought I was gonna get eaten the last round since everyone else was kinda quiet.

Date: 2007-09-15 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
...I'd almost think I'd get eaten tonight, except there's no way they'd eat me now, since I'm in the clue. So... it'll probably be either you or Lady Momoko, since this means you're safe sheep now. If I were you, I'd pretend to be confused in the main post, especially between me, Ned, and Sanosuke - they probably realize Naesala's a lost cause at this point, but if you all remain intentionally confused between the three of us, it'll improve your chances of survival.

Date: 2007-09-15 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missmiracle-gro.livejournal.com
...I can do confused~

Date: 2007-09-15 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] innadress.livejournal.com
Any new news?

Date: 2007-09-15 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
Nope, things've pretty well been quiet today.

How about on your end?

Date: 2007-09-16 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] innadress.livejournal.com
Other than the creepy guy being creepy and the clues being weirdly straightforward, it's been a pretty boring day.

Date: 2007-09-16 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrisngphoenix.livejournal.com
I don't see him so much as creepy as someone who thinks he should be good at this game and didn't bother to try and learn anything to play.

I think it was because we were screwing up. But if he was, in fact, a wolf, the remaining wolf is between you, me, and Sanosuke. If he wasn't a wolf, we're in real trouble, but I doubt that's the case. Anyway, my suggestion is that we put Sanosuke and someone else, possibly me, up to vote tomorrow. I know I'm a sheep, but that should give us one more day, even if I go out.

Of course, if Sanosuke goes out and we're still playing, it'll make you the wolf, but I sincerely doubt that's the case.

Date: 2007-09-16 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] innadress.livejournal.com
How many days do we have left? And is there any way to find out how many wolves we've ousted so far? You know, using, like, SUPER MAGICAL MATH REASONING or something?

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